Wednesday, December 29, 2010

Subliminal Messages in TRON: Legacy



http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=150319

http://jimmyprophet.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/tron-legacy-analysis/

14 comments:

Kaosa said...

they took away your video bro

Timothy said...

The good news is that the links show more about Tron: Legacy's messages. The truth can never be fully suppressed at all regardless of what they do.

By Timothy

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Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

This is my current working hypothesis, response to some of the issues you raise in your posts on symbolism, esoteric secret societies reliance on Gnostic symbolism as their existential source of meaning, and its consequences on inter and intra gender and human-natural world relations, as detailed in the posts: Subliminal messages in TRON: Legacy; Remembering the Past and Learning in the Present and The Truth will Come out Part 2.

Brief Summary: All civilized religions -- from Christianity, to Gnosticism, etc -- were 'created' in the minds of man to comprehend the concept of 'evil' (aka organized violence), subsequent to man's invention of agriculture, approximately 10,000 years ago; and where such agriculture created food surpluses, resulting in population surpluses, and expansion of their territory resulting in clashes with other tribes territories, resource war conflict.

They were a consequence of psychic existential conflict to attempt to understand so-called 'evil'; or put more simply: the conflict resulting from population pressures and escalating relations with fellow humans based upon the absence of consent, i.e. extended periods of psychic and physical violence and coercion.

Evil is defined as profoundly immoral and wicked, with synonyms: bad, wrong, morally wrong, wrongful, immoral, sinful, ungodly, unholy, foul, vile, base, ignoble, dishonourable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, degenerate, villainous, nefarious, sinister, vicious, malicious, malevolent, demonic, devilish, diabolic, diabolical, fiendish, dark, black-hearted.

A more simplistic subjective definition of evil I would say is: evil is that which someone capable of reason and logic does to me without my fully informed consent.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

If there are two or ten people living on an island with enough food and other resources and space, for one hundred people; there is no need to coerce another for food or resources freely and abundantly available. In the absence of a resource scarcity conflict mindset, and plenty of space, tribal relations are more conductive to cooperation and sharing. Living in the moment. There is need for an external God in the sky to explain 'evil'; there is only a consciousness to appreciate the source of resource abundance, as the 'source of life'; and to live in harmony with such source: nature. Violence is limited to hunting, or being hunted by a natural predator, for immediate food.

If the tribe introduces agriculture, which results in an agricultural surplus and uses such agricultural surplus to justify greater population; then as the population increases, so the populaton pressures increase. There is less space to run away from someone who may be temporarily angry, or wanting something another is not willing to provide in that moment.

The existence of 'evil' (absence of fully informed consenting agreements) is plausibly directly proportional to the resource war conflict, resulting from the tribe's violation of carrying capacity limits; and/or coming into contact with another tribe's territorial expansion as a result of their violation of carrying capacity limits.


In attempting to understand the existential meaning of this symptom of 'evil' resulting from violation of carrying capacity limits resource war conflict, man created religions.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

In Running on Emptiness: The Failure of Symbolic Thought (See also: Running on Emptiness: The Pathology of Civilization, John Zerzan explains his perspective of the relationship between 'civilization' and 'symbolic thought'; how "culture emerged as time, language, art, number, and then agriculture."

"The word culture derives from the Latin cultura, referring to cultivation of the soil; that is, to the domestication of plants and animals—and of ourselves in the bargain. A restless spirit of innovation and anxiety has largely been with us ever since, as continually changing symbolic modes seek to fix what cannot be redressed without rejecting the symbolic and its estranged world."

"Eli Sagan (1985) spoke for countless others in declaring that the need to symbolize and live in a symbolic world is, like aggression, a human need so basic that "it can be denied only at the cost of severe psychic disorder." The need for symbols — and violence - did not always obtain, however. Rather, they have their origins in the thwarting and fragmenting of an earlier wholeness, in the process of domestication from which civilization issued."

"Out of a sense of being trapped and limited by symbols comes the thesis that the extent to which thought and emotion are tied to symbolism is the measure by which absence fills the inner world and destroys the outer world."

"We seem to have experienced a fall into representation, whose depths and consequences are only now being fully plumbed. In a fundamental sort of falsification, symbols at first mediated reality and then replaced it. At present we live within symbols to a greater degree than we do within our bodily selves or directly with each other."

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

"The more involved this internal representational system is, the more distanced we are from the reality around us. Other connections, other cognitive perspectives are inhibited, to say the least, as symbolic communication and its myriad representational devices have accomplished an alienation from and betrayal of reality."

"Closer yet is Cohen (1974), who observed that "symbols are essential for the development and maintenance of social order." The ensemble of symbols represents the social order and the individual's place in it, a formulation that always leaves the genesis of this arrangement unquestioned. How did our behavior come to be aligned by symbolization?

"Culture arose and flourished via domination of nature, its growth a measure of that progressive mastery that unfolded with ever greater division of labor. Malinowski (1962) understood symbolism as the soul of civilization, chiefly in the form of language as a means of coordinating action or of standardizing technique, and providing rules for social, ritual, and industrial behavior."

"It is our fall from a simplicity and fullness of life directly experienced, from the sensuous moment of knowing, which leaves a gap that the symbolic can never bridge. This is what is always being covered over by layers of cultural consolations, civilized detouring that never recovers lost wholeness. In a very deep sense, only what is repressed is symbolized, because only what is repressed needs to be symbolized. The magnitude of symbolization testifies to how much has been repressed; buried, but possibly still recoverable."

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

The invention of agriculture and agricultural surplusses, and subsequent organized violence of civilization are the story of Adam and Eve's loss of living in carrying capacity harmony with the natural world resource abundant paradise, and Cain's choice to be a farmer.

Symbolically, perhaps the Tower of Babel plausibly represents the attempt to reach out and escape the evil of totalitarian agriculture organized violence, to a 'God' in the heaven, to ask 'why do you allow this 'evil' to occur'?

Others saw opportunities for socio-political status benefits from exploiting the reality of organized violence (evil), and suppressed this conscious reality of their intentions by invoking various phallic 'right' justifications for their 'right' to engage in organized violence (evil).

For example, my interpretation of your Manly Palmer Hall quote in Illustrious: the Lost Keys of Freemasonry, the 'seething energies of lucifer' are the psychological warfare art of manipulating and coercing men and women to overbreed and overconsume, to thereby aggravate resource war conflict, and the ability to divide and conquer people's, for the profit of the 'warrior', to 'step onward and upward'; as he 'proves his ability' to apply this breeding war and consumption war energies.

"When The Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply this energy." page 48

Put differently, the 'seething energies of lucifer' are no less than the phallic justification for profiting from aggravating and perpetuating deliberate organized violence, without the consent of the recipients of the violence.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Another good Zerzan quote on this issue is:


"Civilization, very fundamentally, is the history of the domination of nature and of women. Patriarchy means rule over women and nature... “Civilized Man says: I am Self, I am Master, all the rest is other — outside, below, underneath, subservient. I own, I use, I explore, I exploit, I control. What I do is what matters. What I want is what matter is for. I am that I am, and the rest is women and wilderness, to be used as I see fit.” - John Zerzan, Patriarchy, Civilization and the Origins of Gender

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Copy of comment to Racism is White Supremacy:

@TrojanPam

Sorry for leaving this comment here, it is in response to your ‘About the Authors’ page, which does not provide comment access, so I am posting the comment here.

You write: “Why do our books focus almost entirely on Racism/White Supremacy? Because Racism/White Supremacy is responsible for the vast majority of human suffering on the planet, whether it is global poverty, starvation, oppression, imperialism, colonialism, slavery, man-made diseases, displacement, racism, wars, and genocide, particularly, and especially, among people of color. …..[..] …… We hope all our books will accomplish our main goal: increasing understanding and reducing confusion about the system of racism/white supremacy, and ultimately replacing it with a system of JUSTICE for all the people on the planet, so that no one is mistreated, and the people who need the most help GET the most help.”

Racism/White Supremacy is not responsible for the vast majority of human suffering on the planet. Racism/White (Black etc) Supremacy are a divide and conquer symptom of Masonic Human Factory Farming Secret Societies agenda for control.

The root cause of the vast majority of human suffering is — according to my research — Masonic Secret Societies management of the ‘seething powers of lucifer’.

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Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

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———-
Brief Summary: All civilized religions — from Christianity, to Gnosticism, etc — were ‘created’ in the minds of man to comprehend the concept of ‘evil’ (aka organized violence), subsequent to man’s invention of agriculture, approximately 10,000 years ago; and where such agriculture created food surpluses, resulting in population surpluses, and expansion of their territory resulting in clashes with other tribes territories, resource war conflict.

They were a consequence of psychic existential conflict to attempt to understand so-called ‘evil’; or put more simply: the conflict resulting from population pressures and escalating relations with fellow humans based upon the absence of consent, i.e. extended periods of psychic and physical violence and coercion.

Evil is defined as profoundly immoral and wicked, with synonyms: bad, wrong, morally wrong, wrongful, immoral, sinful, ungodly, unholy, foul, vile, base, ignoble, dishonourable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, degenerate, villainous, nefarious, sinister, vicious, malicious, malevolent, demonic, devilish, diabolic, diabolical, fiendish, dark, black-hearted.

A more simplistic subjective definition of evil I would say is: evil is that which someone capable of reason and logic does to me without my fully informed consent.

If there are two or ten people living on an island with enough food and other resources and space, for one hundred people; there is no need to coerce another for food or resources freely and abundantly available. In the absence of a resource scarcity conflict mindset, and plenty of space, tribal relations are more conductive to cooperation and sharing. Living in the moment. There is no need for an external God in the sky to explain ‘evil’; there is only a consciousness to appreciate the source of resource abundance, as the ‘source of life’; and to live in harmony with such source: nature. Violence is limited to hunting, or being hunted by a natural predator, for immediate food.

-- continued --

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

-- continued --

If the tribe introduces agriculture, which results in an agricultural surplus and uses such agricultural surplus to justify greater population; then as the population increases, so the populaton pressures increase. There is less space to run away from someone who may be temporarily angry, or wanting something another is not willing to provide in that moment.

The existence of ‘evil’ (absence of fully informed consenting agreements) is plausibly directly proportional to the resource war conflict, resulting from the tribe’s violation of carrying capacity limits; and/or coming into contact with another tribe’s territorial expansion as a result of their violation of carrying capacity limits.

In attempting to understand the existential meaning of this symptom of ‘evil’ resulting from violation of carrying capacity limits resource war conflict, man created religions.

In Running on Emptiness: The Failure of Symbolic Thought (See also: Running on Emptiness: The Pathology of Civilization), John Zerzan explains his perspective of the relationship between ‘civilization’ and ‘symbolic thought’; how “culture emerged as time, language, art, number, and then agriculture.”

[..]

-- continued --

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

-- continued --

The invention of agriculture and agricultural surplusses, and subsequent organized violence of civilization are the story of Adam and Eve’s loss of living in carrying capacity harmony with the natural world resource abundant paradise, and Cain’s choice to be a farmer.

Symbolically, perhaps the Tower of Babel plausibly represents the attempt to reach out and escape the evil of totalitarian agriculture organized violence, to a ‘God’ in the heaven, to ask ‘why do you allow this ‘evil’ to occur’?

Others saw opportunities for socio-political status benefits from exploiting the reality of organized violence (evil), and suppressed this conscious reality of their intentions by invoking various phallic ‘right’ justifications for their ‘right’ to engage in organized violence (evil).

For example, my interpretation of the Manly Palmer Hall quote in Illustrious: the Lost Keys of Freemasonry, the ‘seething energies of lucifer’ are the psychological warfare art of manipulating and coercing men and women to overbreed and overconsume, to thereby aggravate resource war conflict, and the ability to divide and conquer people’s, for the profit of the ‘warrior’, to ‘step onward and upward’; as he ‘proves his ability’ to apply this breeding war and consumption war energies.

“When The Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply this energy.” page 48

Put differently, the ‘seething energies of lucifer’ are no less than the phallic justification for profiting from aggravating and perpetuating deliberate organized violence, without the consent of the recipients of the violence.

-- continued --

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

-- continued --

“Civilization, very fundamentally, is the history of the domination of nature and of women. Patriarchy means rule over women and nature… “Civilized Man says: I am Self, I am Master, all the rest is other — outside, below, underneath, subservient. I own, I use, I explore, I exploit, I control. What I do is what matters. What I want is what matter is for. I am that I am, and the rest is women and wilderness, to be used as I see fit.” – John Zerzan, Patriarchy, Civilization and the Origins of Gender
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Conclusion: To replace the system of Secret Society management of the seething energies of lucifer which manifest as ‘white supremacy’, ‘racism’, ‘sexism’, etc; we must address the root causes of the problem: ecological and egological illiteracy. We must establish a system that limits procreation and consumption to carrying capacity limits.

Put simply: if your christian, islamic, pagan, atheist or whatever church, or white, black, green, pink or whatever activist or cultural group you belong to; does not teach ecological literacy (aka the implementation of national and international law which limits breeding and consuming to below carrying capacity limits for everyone) it is unequivocally endorsing — consciously or unconsciously — the ‘seething energies of lucifer’ Masonic Babylonian Occult Human Factory Farm aka 666 Beast World Order.

Finally: If your racial, religious, cultural group encourages its members to breed or consume above carrying capacity limits; it is consciously or unconsciously participating in the Secret Society Human Factory Farm game of managing the ‘seething energies of lucifer’.