Thursday, April 27, 2006

Jesuit info and my views on Calvinism.


My views on Calvinism: I agree with Calvinism that free will doesn't merit salvation. Free will is apart of human nature and nothing done by human can merit salvation. Salvation is a free gift from God and has nothing to do with man. That sets Biblical Christianity from every religion. Every other religion believes that man's works merits salvation or enlightenment.

Also, humans working to be saved gives humans license to do what they want whenever they want for the sake of free will. Now, My main disagreement with Calvinism is about limited atonement. The NT perfectly says that Christ love the whole world and died for all men (not only the elect) That's perfectly mentioned in the book of 1st John 2:2, which reads, "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 2nd Corinthians 5:15, "And that he died for all..." We read in 1st Timothy 1:15, "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. The Word of God proclaims that Christ came to save sinners, not just certain sinners.

Listen to the plain teaching of 2nd peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Calvinism accepts infant baptism. No where in the NT were infants baptized at all. Baptism is always done to people with consent first in the scriptures. On Calvinism, I'm in David Cloud's camp. Like Cloud said, most Calvinism are brothers and sisters in the faith, but some of Calvinism is false doctrine. I'm a Baptist.

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/calvinismdebate.html

is David Cloud's link on this issue. The following is controversial, but people have a right to believe in what they want.

By TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)

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From http://s13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=8820&st=0#entry3560341



Dear Pastor Turner,

A most excellent post! You have described the effects of what Toplady called "the sovereign drug of Arminianism."As the Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor Al Pacino said at the end in The Devil's Advocate, "Free will, its a [female dog]." That rant was the most lucid and succinct summary of Jesuit immoral theology I have ever heard.

Sincerely in faith,

Brother Eric

Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:39 PM

Subject: the common thread of Jesuit temporal co-adjutors

Eric,

One of the recent e-mails ties in with my thoughts over the past few days. There was a strong reaction from three separate listeners to my preaching on the doctrine of free will last Saturday. Two were uproariously happy over the message, and one expressed deep dissatisfaction. But what is the common thread between every co-adjutor we have encountered? Is it not an adherance to the doctrine of human free will, or human agency being the determining factor in a man's destiny? This damnable doctrine of human power as the deciding factor in determining eternal destiny is believed and expounded by them all, religous or non-religious, King James or not King James, conspiarcy exposer and non-conspiracy exposer alike, Jew opponent or supposed Jew advocate, rapture or non-rapture, etc. Let us consider one more time in relationship one to another the names below, and seek the one common ties that binds them all. To the best of my recollection, we have named or have discussed the following individuals as possible or (most of them) certain co-adjutors.

1 Peter S. Ruckman Founder of Pensacola Bible Institute, self professed "junkyard dog" of the Lord defending the King James Bible, hyper-dispensationalist 501 c3 church pastor and author of dozens of books. Claims to be a Baptist but continually mocks historic creeds and confessions, calls himself a "moderate Calvinist" but does not teach or believe the Bible doctrines of Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Atonement Limited to the Elect in Effeciency, or Irresistable Grace. hates Calvinists more than Catholics, preaches free-will, and will nbot attack Jesuits of Freemason.

2 Gail A, Riplinger Author of New Age Bible Versions, a Peter Ruckman wannabe and vehement opponent of Calvinism who purports to uphold the King James Bible. Also a friend and confidant of the next woman on the list.

3 Constance Cumbey Member of a Baptist church and purported New Age exposer who in her book HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW urged Protestants and Catholics to come together to make common cause against "New Agers." Friend of Riplinger and obvious free willer.

4 Texe Marrs Power of Prophecy host, author, rabid Jew attacker, and supposed pastor. Visited Rome in Oct-Dec 2003 and began an attack on the Jews around March or April 2004 which has not ceased. Called Esther the saint in the Bible book of the same name a whore, and says that International Jewry is the Whore of Babylon. Another rabid free-willer, and the man who performed the wedding ceremony for the next man on the list.

5 Alex Jones The man with quite possibly the biggest mouth on shortwave, who is always shouting "we're making a difference," "waging war on global corruption," "exposing the power elites," etc. Continually plays "patty-cakes" with main stream press co-adjutors like Ann Coulter, has promoted THE PASSION OF CHRIST and interviewed favorably Hutton Gibson, and recently commended co-adjutor and son of a co-adjutor Charlie Sheen. Permits rock music like Led Zepplin (When the Levee Breaks), Tom Petty (I Won't Back Down), Pink Floyd (The Wall) as break music besides the Johnny Cash, etc. Jones goes into a frenzy every time the words "Jesuits" or"Catholics" are used by his callers, and his "speech bewrayeth" him, he is a stone cold "free-willer."

5 Dirty Dave Hunt He talks soft but is an opponent of the KJV and a rabid hater of Calvinism, and like all such, a monumental liar who comes out of a charismatic background. HarvestHouse in Eugene, ORegon published his book THE SEDUCTION OF CHRISTIANITY which made him an immediate Christian "celebrity."

6 Pastor Butch Paugh Self professed patriot preacher who recently back pedalled and soft soaped for ten minutes up front before he brought you up for what was a pathetic interview (on his part, certainly not yours). Teaches that a saved, born again child of God can die in their sins and go to hell because they have "free will." Professes advocacy of the AV 1611. A personal friend of Hutton Gibson and GCN host.

7 Joyce Riley While not a religious host, one can readily guess her position from her on air staements, and her affiliation with GCN.

8 Stan Monteith While not openly taking a stance on "free will," it is a reasonable assertion that this co-adjutor and Catholic apologist who always is pointing the finger somewhere other than Rome is another one.I guess this list could expand to include all the Hollywood co-adjutors, who are busy exercising their "free will" in snorting coke, simulating sex on screen, and serving Satan. Al Pacino, Robert de Niro, Robert Duvall, Martin Sheen, Denzel Washington,and dozens of others, both old and new, are at work in the Jesuit Theatre demonstrating free will.

Of course we have the old guard religious crowd of Billy Graham, Jack Van Impe, Jerry Falwell, and their ilk, loyal co-adjutors and free-willers to a man (or is it woman?). Then there is the TBN charismatic free will faction that embraces Jaohn Haggee, Hal Lindsey, Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Kenneth Freemason Copeland, and many others besides the ten dozen William Branham false prophet clones. This could also likely be observed among the literary world as well, if we had time to listen to interviews with Ludlum, Tom Clancy (Jesuit), etc. Myt believe is that this is the Jesuit glue that holds them all together, the doctrine of free will. And, as we well know, those that drink the poisoned waters of "will worship" will worship the beast, that man of sin, the son of perdition who exalts himself above all that is called or worshipped as God:

THE POPE OF ROME!

I believe the untempered mortar of free will whold the Devil's empire together, and any opponent of the Jesuits who has imbibed this has been spiritually neutralized. KJV Ezekiel 13:10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:KJV Ezekiel 13:11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.KJV Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.Blessings to you and all those that love the truth.

Pastor Turner

6 comments:

D.R. said...
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D.R. said...

"Calvinism accepts infant baptism."

Tim, this shows how little you know about Calvinism and Baptist history (I thought you said you knew more than I did about history -- how could you make such an ignorant statement?). I am a Calvinist and I reject infant baptism. I am an Evangelical Baptist as well. So were Charles Spurgeon, Adoniram Judson, Luther Rice, PM Mell, BH Carroll, JM Carroll, James Boyce, AT Robertson, John Broadus, William Carey, John Gill, Andrew Fuller, and WA Criswell.

There are even historic Calvinistic Baptist confessions of Faith -- The London Baptist Confession of Faith (1644), The Second London Baptist Confession of Faith (1677), The Philidelphia Confession of Faith (1762), and the New Hampshire Confession of 1833. All of these are thoroughly Baptistic and reflect no acceptance of infant baptism.

How could this be more clear?

Now, while I do hold to Definite Atonement (limited atonement), there are many Calvinists who do not. Among them are Albert Mohler, Danny Akin, Russell Moore, and many other nationally known Baptist leaders.

You want to say that I have written many "falsehoods", but what about this obvious false statement? Will you rescind this statement in light of all the evidence I have just shown you? Or will you just again say that I am presenting "falsehoods"?

Timothy said...

This is silly and pathetic by you. I made a mistake by saying that all Calvinists support infant baptism. I will rescind that. I will not rescind many of John Calvin's false doctrines. John Calvin supported infant baptism and that the point that I was making.

http://www.thebereancall.org/Newsletter/questionanswer/2001/aug01a.php

is a link that proves it. Your ad hominem attacks that I don't know about Calvinist and Baptist history is a lie and you know. I've studied church history for years and I have a bacheleors in history, so I know what I'm talking about.

This is getting old and I'm moving on.

By TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)

Timothy said...

http://www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm

is another link proving that Calvin supported infant baptism (not all Calvinists).

D.R. said...

Sure, Calvin was a infant baptizer. I have never not acknowledged that fact, but I don't think that infant baptism is a great heresy or anything. Last time I checked, baptism doesn't save you. It is a sign of obedience. And while I am gladly and happily a Baptist, I will stand with my Presbyterian brethren as they go in error, knowing that there are greater tragedies in Evangelicalism today -- like say Open Theism. and Annihilationism, and the rejection of Inerrancy, and Egalitarianism, and Premillenial Dispensationalism. So, it is a bit of "the pot calling the kettle black" when you accuse me of ad hominem attacks (do you know what that means -- it is a big word for 22 year olds) and then you blast Calvin on the basis of one non-dogmatic belief (yes, baptism is not dogma, though it would be essential for church membership -- for more on this see Albert Mohler's Weblog Archives).

But I am glad you admitted a mistake. But you still want to use some Dave Hunt to prove something. He's definitively not an authoritative source. At least use Lawrence Vance if you want some respect.

Timothy said...

You still response and support Calvin after all of this time.

By Timothy